US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

Sean is CEO of The Innovative Military Equipment Firm : MATBOCK

Conversation with Sean:

Welcome to a fantastic edition of rebellions educational series. I’m here with former Navy seal, Sean Mattson. Talk about mental toughness and the soldier of tomorrow. Shawn, thank you so much for coming on today. Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Alex honor is all ours. So Sean, tell us about your deployment history.

Obviously I know you’ve served our military. Yes, I did, five deployments in total. So, three to Iraq and then, two to Africa. Myactive duty time was from 2005 to 2010. And then I did another three years in the reserves from 2005 to 2015. So I did 10 years active and then another, another three years.

So 2015, 2018, I did in the reserves. Really and. Were you in firefights often? Was that something you didn’t see very often? How scared were you on a daily basis? Yeah, I mean, so, eh, I mean, obviously in Iraq, I mean, we were in there during the heat of everything, so we were, we were going out, especially on the first deployment.

You know, we, we were going out just about every single night, if not every night. It slowed down a little bit, from there, but when we were going after, I mean, You know, seal team seals, seal teams, we’re out there to hunt the baddest guys out there. So, you know, we weren’t going after guys that were stealing low for bread.

US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

We were going after guys that were, you know, drug smugglers, weapons, smugglers, financeers, you know, people, suicide bombers. I mean, we were going after high level ringleaders and this, and, and a lot of them were, were extremely politically sensitive because they were, you know, Cross border. We weren’t doing any cross border operations, but the people we were targeting were, you know, free flowing in between, you know, Iran, Iraq, Syria, all that whole region.

Moving stuff that obviously from Afghanistan or cross. So, you know, that’s what we are there to go hunt. Those guys. We, we, we weren’t there. Like I said, to go hunt guys that, you know, possibly still a loaf of bread or something, did he live with fear on a daily basis then? No, I mean, so the thing is you, you just, you, you accept and you know, that that’s what you’re going out there to go do.

Honestly, I mean, we thrive on it and to go out there and want to go do it and, and know that, you know, we’re getting the opportunity to go do it. And so, I loved it. I mean, you know, it was no better, no better thing than, you know, especially if you’re gonna be deployed and be away from family and other things like that.

Then to know that you get to go outside the wire and, you know, go make a difference. That’s amazing. Were you able to do free jumping from planes as easily as being under water? So I grew up swimming. I was a swimmer, and enjoyed, uh, I swim. So I’m at division one school, you know, and all through my career.

So I enjoyed swimming, every day actually. Yeah. But you know, honestly I love, I love jumping. Jumping was a lot of fun. Actually still, still skydive, you know, periodically now, even though I’m out, I’ll, I’ll go jumping a couple of times a year, uh, just to, just to go do it cause I love it. Oh, that’s awesome.

My, uh, first cousin was a Navy pilot who actually ran a jump school, but uh, sadly perished in a plane crash last year. So sorry to hear that. That happens, mental toughness. How did that inspire you to start your business as a post maybe seals? Yeah. So we, so my business partner is actually also a, uh, a former seal, uh, Zach Steinbach.

And so that’s how we get our company named Mapbox. We took part of my last name, which is Mattson, his last name, which is Steinbach, and we just cut it in half. But, uh, bras, it was really, we found, we saw a need for a particular product, actually, why we were still active. And so everything you produce is a stuff that you would have liked to have while you were deployed.

US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

Absolutely. I mean, that’s, that’s exactly why we created the company. What we saw is we saw a lot of companies just copycatting everybody else. And so we bring innovative products and, uh, to the market. So we’re constantly looking at new materials, new manufacturing processes, how we can evolve this because.

With more technology comes more weight that they want to put on to a solar sail and Marine and airmen. And, you know, we’re trying to look at well with all this extra weight you’re trying to put on with the technology out. Can we eliminate some of these, uh, redundancies in there, uh, to make it lighter, and our slogans lighter, faster warriors.

So we ultimately feel like if you’re lighter you can fight effectively, uh, more effectively than if you are just heavy. Yeah. No, the Russo-Japanese war taught us that, uh, you know, fast and light is always going to be better. You know? I mean, it would also go back to the battle of veno. Actium when, you know, Mark Anthony lost to Rome.

Now it’s always better to be quick on your feet. So when did you know you wanted to be a seal? How old were you? I was 12 years old. Uh, well, my family was out in California. Actually. We were out there for spring break. I was in fifth grade and I saw these guys running down the beach I had already wanted to serve.

I was planning to be a pilot, Top Gun was obviously big, you know, you know, when I was growing up. So I was, I was hook line and sinker. I wanted to be a pilot. And, but then that changed when I was out there in San Diego and I saw these guys running down the beach with boats and logs and everything like that.

And that day I told my mom, I was like, this is what I’m going to go do. And she was like, you don’t even know what that is. I was like, I don’t know, but that’s what I wanted to go do. That’s awesome. That’s really awesome. What about, uh, shooting the gun? Did that, was that something that came to you during training or was that something that you did prior to joining.

I, so I never grew up, uh, really shooting or doing anything around guns. You know, I may, I may have shot maybe once or twice maybe before, but, but not, not a lot. So I went in and got a cold. Uh, I let the Navy, that’s funny because, you know, we talked about your colleague, uh, James Waters, who was also a seal and actually James and I both, uh, shot rifles together since we probably were eight or nine years old.

So, you know, it’s, it’s amazing when you come in with. Strengths, but you mean your strength was that of being a swimmer? Yeah. And, and, you know, I mean, the thing was, I mean, I, I did, you know, compared to the rest of the class, I mean, I was definitely behind the power curve on shooting, which made me just have to put more things, but also solid as, as, as a, as a benefit in a lot of things, because I didn’t have some of these habits that may be, you know, you pick up from shooting w cause they teach you, Hey, this is how we want you to shoot.

This is how, you know, it’s, it’s a different, you know, Mindset and also just a different way to shoot Sean. Speaking of mindsets, how much of your mental toughness came from actual Navy seal training versus what you brought into it? So it’s, it’s hard to say because I mean,

you know, I mean, I did, I learned that I did. My mental toughness increased going through seal training. Yes. But you know, they, you already have to have some level of mental toughness to even start that journey. Right. Because if you go into it without the mental, some mental toughness, you’re never going to make it through.

Well, do you prepare it on day one? What’s that you felt you were prepared on day one? Yeah, I knew I was going to make it, I mean, I had that mentality going into it.

So there was, there was yes. And so, like I knew I could make it, my biggest fear was getting injured or getting sick. So things that were completely out of my control, I knew that I could keep making everything. Now I had on Tuesday of hell week. Uh, for me was, uh, I had at a moment where it wasn’t that I didn’t think I couldn’t make it.

I didn’t know how I was going to, to solve it. And, and what happened was, is when you’re carrying boats on your head. So think of this as a boat, this would be the front of this would be the back. You have the one man, number two men, and number three, man. And the number two is arguably the hardest position because the boat likes to stag in the center part.

And, uh, one of my guys, uh, well, I was number three position, so I was in the back and he was in the number two position. It was like, Hey, can I get a swap out? So I was like, yeah. So I jumped into a number two spot and he went back to my number three spot and my net kept falling forward, which was called ducking the boat.

And so now you’re, you’re whenever you’re doing that, you’re causing everybody else to carry more weight. And I was like, I know I can do this, but like am I physically able to right now, not sure how to do this. I’ve been doing it fine already. It just, and it all of a sudden, just like the inner voice hit me, you know, like, God, speak to me, whatever you want to say.

It was like, just look up, man, just look up. And I was like, Oh yeah. And so like, I started looking up, got my posture. Right. And as soon as I did that, I was, I was good to go. And I mean, it was just a, it was just a short, you know, Moment in there, but you know, it was one of those things. I love that line.

Shaun. I think that line can be applied to everything in life. Just look up, you know, keep your chin up high, you know, you know, when you’re, when you’re going through a storm, keep your head up five fantastic things there. No, I I’ve. I really love it. So what about the history of the seals? You know, Grenada was a time when four seals were lost in the ocean.

Was that something you were mindful of, you know, being lost in the ocean at some time? Yeah. I mean, so, I mean, you obviously, you know, as I was going through and even, even before, you know, I would read books and read, read things or hear stories about stuff. Well you discussed when you were in seal training, do they go over what happened there?

They, they didn’t like in, in, in detail. I mean, we would, we would do certain things, you know, in training where they would help you prepare for, you know, Obviously the lessons learned from, from it. So they would, they would say, Hey, you know, this is why we’re doing this right. We had X thing happen here.

This is why we’re doing that. And so they would give you those kinds of reasons to evolve in your training so that, you know, hopefully you don’t make that same mistake. Yeah, no, definitely being prepared. It’s so important. And, uh, obviously, you know, the seals were once, uh, Grenada stuck in a, I think it was a president’s mentioned without proper communication overnight and they had to hold their position because I’d been tasked with taking the radio, rather the global satellite radio.

So such a Google thing can lead to such significant, uh, Disasters is exactly why and what I mean. So when you look at, you look at history for seal teams right before, before nine 11, right? So they’d had some conflicts here or there and things like that. But for the most part, you know, it had been quite a long time before the seals had actually been in some kind of fight like that, where it was actually a war type, you know?

And so the guys that were. Uh, so I was already in college and I was already set to, to, you know, go and I knew I was, you know, going through that route, but, but it was, it was, you know, these guys that were towards the latter end of their career. Right. We’re the guys that were previously in some of those conflicts.

So now you have this big gap of guys that don’t really, hadn’t been to this combat zone, you know? And so they’re learning from those guys and we’re, we’re falling into that situation right now where, you know, Wars or Wars are dying down. And so like the guys that I all served with are now. You know, senior chiefs, master chiefs, commanders that, you know, they’re CEOs of teams now.

And so we’re getting towards the latter end of our career and there’s a whole, you know, group and a larger population that haven’t been to war. And they’re now in our military. So, what are popular careers for Navy seals posted. Career. So based on the, uh, Navy transition, it was, uh, I was, I w I was perfectly positioned to be a truck driver.

So that was what the Navy told me that, uh,

Yeah. So, uh, when I went through the whole questionnaire, the Navy said, Hey, based on your skills and travel and all this stuff like that, you’d make a good truck driver. I was like, nah, I don’t think that’s right for me. So, you know, a lot of guys get into the entrepreneurial world. So can our viewers buy your products or is it just for the Navy and the government?

So for, we do offer the ability to buy some of our products on our website. And then we also have a supplement company called, Cardo, max C a R D O M a X. But we do have the ability to buy, both, over our website. But then we also do government sales. The majority of our revenue comes from government sales.

Oh, absolutely. It will definitely, it will definitely help. So we have three, three different categories right now and energy, which is kind of like a pre-workout and immune booster, that helps, de-stress your body, and actually helps increase endurance and then a recovery accelerant too.

Wonderful. And my last question is during your combat, was there a moment you were most scared, most pin down thought maybe you would not survive that day? Yeah, definitely. You know, one that was also where I was completely task saturated, you know, my guys and I were on an op we foot patrolled in, we were a really small force.

We are smaller than typically we would go out for American presence. Where exactly was this? This is Iraq. Where were you wearing it? Outside. It was North of Baghdad and. Now, I mean, out in the desert, basically out in Northern Baghdad, and we were foot patrol and into this area and we knew that a group of guys were meeting, to basically do a change of command, do a change of command ceremony between each other.

And so we, sorry about that. We decided that, you know, we need to go ahead and intervene in this. So we flew in, landed, started patrolling in. And, we, we got into a contact, started getting shot at, we ended up killing or ended up taking down a guy, but before we knew he was actually dead, you know, he was, he was pretty severely wounded.

And he was right where we were at right there. The rest of the kind of small village that was right there. My guy split up and started clearing it just to make sure we had a good foothold here. Our partner force at the time, literally just melted in front of our eyes. They put their guns up, they took their helmets off.

They were like, we’re not doing this. They’d start smoking behind this berm. And we were less than 400 meters away from our target area. So we knew that they’d heard us. they were looking over the walls. They were peeking over the walls with guns, looking at us. And so we didn’t know if this was going to start fighting us.

We didn’t know if the little village that we were at was going to turn and start fighting us. We didn’t know if our partner force was going to turn on us and start killing us, because again, we were, we were outnumbered probably three to one with our partner force. And,  at that same time, Because we have such a small, small footprint, I’m the ground force commander.

So I’m in charge of this entire operation. Both our partners force all the air assets and everything that’s going on on the ground. And because we don’t have a lot of guys, I now had to become the medic for this, this guy that we had just shot. So I’m sitting here trying to work on him. Talk to my commander back at the talk and communicate with my team, all at the same time.

And, and it was just one of those times where, like I said, I was, you know, just completely task saturated, a lot was going on. I’m trying to lead my guys, trying to listen to what’s going on, observe everything that’s going on. And, you know, it was a, it was a pretty, pretty hairy situation. We ended up.

Like I said earlier, you know, we ended up the guy who ended up dying. Didn’t get to save him, did get him on a helicopter, got him out of there. And, you know, we, we all lived and got to fight another day. So it was, it was a successful mission. And, at the end of it all, we actually all flew home.

I literally just took my helmet off, took everything off and just. It was like, guys, I, I needed to just break away for a second. Like, don’t talk to me. I just need, you know, it was a short flight. It was only about a 10, 15 minute flight back to the fob, but I just was like, Hey, I just, I just need, need a few minutes to myself.

And in that time, I actually came up with one of our, one of our best-selling products, which is a really soft, a really lightweight medical litter. That’s a bag as well. And so, it ended up becoming a very, prosperous, op after all of that. Very cool. Very, very, very cool. So, thank you so much for this was a super amazing and I, I really appreciate you coming on today.

Definitely. Thanks for your time. Be well and stay safe. Yep. You too.

US Navy SEAL Sean Matson on Mental Toughness & Fear

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